Private cops at SF General?

|
(26)


Truly astonishing moment at the June 23 Budget Committee hearing. The director of Public Health, Barbara Garcia, actually testified that San Francisco General Hospital would be better off with private security guards instead of sheriff’s deputies -- because the deputies were only able to follow the law.

You can watch the video here. The discussion starts at 4:49. It begins with Sup. Scott Wiener, is his quiet Scott Wiener way, asking Garcia to talk about the plan to contract out hospital security.

Garcia first insisted that this was a way to save $2 million that would prevent further cuts to health programs. That’s always the primary argument for contracting out.

But then she went a step further.  An outside company, she said, could provide better security -- because the (low paid, poorly trained) guards will be able to operate without the restrictions of being peace officers. “There are some restrictions on [the deputy sheriffs’] ability to restrain patients,” she said.

That wasn’t a slip of the tongue -- Gregg Sass, the chief financial officer, repeated it again. “If a patient isn’t breaking the law,” he said, “a deputy sheriff won’t intervene.” More: “Private security can intervene. They’re not bound by the same limits that a deputy sheriff is bound by.”

Both Garcia and Sass noted that they wanted security officers who reported directly to them, not to an elected sheriff.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a little weird?

The money thing I understand. I don’t agree -- often these supposed savings don’t show up in the end, and besides, do we really want people who get paid $13 an hour without benefits handling security at SF General? But I understand the argument.

On the other hand, the notion that peace officers have to follow rules, and so we should have people who don’t have to follow rules instead strikes me as pretty disturbing. And I’m not sure how true it is: Can a security guard hold and restrain a patient who hasn’t broken the law and isn’t covered by a legal order like a 5150?

I don’t think so. The folks at SEIU Local 1021 don’t think so, either: A flier the group put out notes that:

The issue of Sheriff’s Dept. having legal restraints applies equally to all employees. If there is no 5150 or 5250, no-one has a right to restrain the patient against their will; but a well trained Institutional Policeman can gently persuade a patient with Alzheimer’s to return to their unit.

And I have to say, the notion of having the Department of Public Health oversee a security force (instead of the Sheriff or the Police Department) is disturbing, too. The worst problems in police abuse tend to come from little fiefdoms that aren’t propertly managed -- the BART Police, for example, and housing and transit cops in other jurisdictions. Nobody at DPH is trained to manage a security force.

What, exactly, are these (low paid, poorly trained) security guards going to do -- grab patients who complain about waiting six hours to see a doctor and “restrain” them? What happens when somebody actually does commit a crime (or brings a gun or a knife into the hospital)? The guards can’t make an arrest. So they call the cops -- who come, in due time, but maybe not quickly enough to prevent a disaster. And, of course, we then pay the cops to come and make the arrest.

I haven’t been able to reach Eileen Shields, the public information officer at the Health Department, but I can tell you: The language that her boss used at the Budget and Finance Committee was pretty frightening.

UPDATE: Shields sent me over Garcia's memo on this, which lays out the case. It pretty much says it all: 

There are times when  patients are unable to control their behavior due to acute medical       
 illness, such as delirium or brain injury. These patients may present a   
 serious risk to their own safety as well as to the safety of other       
 patients and hospital staff.                                             
                                                                           
 These situations are not the result of – nor do they result in – illegal 
 activity. This puts the Sheriff’s deputies, whose responsibility is to   
 uphold the law, in a difficult situation when they are confronted with   
 potentially harmful (but not illegal) situations caused by acute,         
 non-psychiatric medical conditions. Outside security firms do not operate 
 under the same constraints. Instead, they function as members of the     
 health care team whose responsibility is to enforce hospital policy. They 
 are charged with ensuring a safe environment and can act with greater     
 freedom to ensure safety within the limits of the law but without the     
 additional requirements and expectations placed upon a law enforcement   
 officer.
 

Comments

Tim- Perhaps you spend a week at the general in the shoes of the ER docs and nurses and then reconsider your position. You have no idea of the degree of disobedience, and lack of civility of some SF General "patients". It's the dumping ground for the most disturbed that the State abandoned in the 70's and there is a chasm between one of these individuals breaking the law, thus allowing deputies to intervene, and whacked out behavior that needs a strong hand. Consider these security guards the necessary and appropriate bouncers that we require of nightclubs and eateries that are open 24/7. And what's with the constant slippery slope argument of excessive force? With all your apparatchik views, where you invite more government involvement in just about every other aspect of city life, your contempt for the Cops and their apparent constant desire to use excessive force confounds me. Wasn't that one of your criticisms of civil sidewalks? Beware of those excessive force yielding cops...

Posted by Guest on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

Doesn't surprise me there is more violence in hospitals. Someday the peasants are gonna revolt.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 2:43 pm

I have some idea of what happens at SF General and the clinics, having spent most of my work life as a paramedic and a doctor in DPH. This proposal surfaces perennially in DPH and the front line care staff dread it. We have opposed this silly, short-sighted plan before, and we will again. We will oppose it as if our lives depend on it, because switching to poorly paid, barely qualified private security would create a serious safety threat to both patients and employees.

Posted by pdquick on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 4:14 pm

Paul, you're such a gift to the community, always sharing your expertise and credibility.

Posted by Ann Garrison on Jun. 29, 2011 @ 8:14 am

I have some idea of what happens at SF General and the clinics, having spent most of my work life as a paramedic and a doctor in DPH. This proposal surfaces perennially in DPH and the front line care staff dread it. We have opposed this silly, short-sighted plan before, and we will again. We will oppose it as if our lives depend on it, because switching to poorly paid, barely qualified private security would create a serious safety threat to both patients and employees.

Posted by pdquick on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 4:15 pm

Redmond is arguing that violence IS on the rise in hospitals and that health care workers and nurses are better off with sworn sheriff's deputies and highly trained institutional police officers than with a bunch of minimum wage private mall cops protecting hospitals.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 4:23 pm

Garcia memo:

"These patients may present a serious risk to their own safety as well as to the safety of other patients and hospital staff."

Nothing prevents a sworn officer (or anyone else for that matter) from keeping a person or another from harm. At a minimum they are covered by the Good Samaritan law/ principle.

As a rent-a-cop back 10 years ago, I didn't have the training to deal with potentially violent situations. All I could do was call for back-up.

Posted by Guest on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 4:41 pm

This article and comments all come from the premise of out-of-control patients (of course it's a problem). What about visitors (friends and family)? I usta work at that slaughter house. One night "visitors" became upset about the care the visited one was receiving so they proceeded to tear up the room, smashing $50K+ worth of hospital equipment. Security is a problem throughout a general hospital not just the psychiatric ward. Better go to the Raiders and 49ers for some private security guards to keep the place safe...but minimum wage would be problematical.

Posted by DanC on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 5:00 pm

I hope they don't complain the first time some staff member is hurt or killed. I know for a fact a $13 dollar an hour security guard will not stop someone holding a knife or gun. Sheriff Deputies and Policemen took an oath to protect the public.

Posted by Guest chaos on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 5:27 pm

Anybody that has ever been to SFGH knows that it would be out of control if the Institutional Police/Sheriff Unit was replaced by security guards! The Institurional Police were born some in the early 60s when the then Chief of Police told the Department of Public Health that they needed thier own in-house police dept. because the mission district police station could not keep up with all of the law enforcement calls that the hospital had. In 2002 the SF Sheriff Dept. merged with the Insitutional Police bringing sworn law enforcement officers full-time to the hospital. While the costs for security (law enforcement) services have more than doubled since the 2002 merge, the SF Sheriff Dept. has arrested people at the hospital that had guns on them, made numerous traffic stops recovering stolen vehicles, towing others that weren't registered, or by people that had expired or driving license's that were revoked, they have arrested numerous people that had outstanding warrants, violaters of restraining oders, and numerous drug and alcohol violaters. no to mention they also keep the neighborhood safe by either actively patrolling around or casually going to a nearby restaurant or store for lunch. A private security guard has abosulety no arrest powers, they cannot stop any patient on either a 5150, or 5250, they can stop and search anyone with probale cause, they cannot arrest any 602PC (trespassing) violaters that are so common in and around SFGH that with out sworn sraff SFGH may well be a huge homeless camp! The list goes on and on, so DPH is looking at a cosr savings now several million dollars, how much will they and the City of SF have to pay in law suits that will be sure to be filed by employees, patients, and visitors, because the hospital was staffed by security guards making it a unsafe enviorment and they were assaulted and or killed by criminals that wouldn't of been there armed with the SF Sheriff's there. Even In the East Bay, Highland Hospital is staffed by security guards BUT there is a Alameda Sheriff substation in the ER room that is always staffed by deputies 24/7. If the mayor or the board of supervisors were really serious in regards to the issue of security at SFGH and what should be done about it, they should each take a go to the hospital and take a tour of it, walk around and observe what really goes on there, then make up thier mind that Cops really do belong there!

Posted by Guest on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 6:54 pm

Isn't this the Trauma Center in the area? I understand budget cuts, but Trauma Centers are first on the lists for Terrorists and attacks during war.

If you have law enforcement officers there you should increase there funding for more personnel and better equipment. Make your budget cuts somewhere else, as I recall aren't hospitals suppose to care about people and make them better. That includes safety. I have been to SFGH and I am very happy you Deputy Sheriffs there.

Obviously who ever is proposing this does not care about the safety of the patients and only cares about making cuts.so.they can protect.their salary. You should fire/terminate who ever brought and/or supports this issue (removing law enforcement).

Trauma Center with private security = DISASTER!

DUMB IDEA

Posted by Pavel on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 10:56 pm

a cop's job. That is why almost every private business hires security guards. Their work can be custimized to the situation.

If a crime is being committed, I want a cop. If I just want some order restored or a difficult "client" restrained, I'd want a security guard.

No brainer, even if it didn't save 2 million.

Posted by Walter on Jun. 28, 2011 @ 11:17 pm

Are fine for some jobs (building security, for example, when it mostly involves checking vistors in and out, monitoring cameras and calling the police if anything goes wrong). But SFGH is a rough place with a lot of complicated and sometimes violent stuff going on. Honestly, I think this is beyond the training of most private security guards.

Posted by tim on Jun. 29, 2011 @ 10:43 am

I watched the discussion. Mirkarimi played the role of the Arse as usual.
Private cops will align with the needs of the hospital. SF County deputies will just stand there. They only do cleanup, they rarely actually prevent anything from getting worse.

Best option is have a couple of SF county deputies on duty or nearby. You don't need scores of deputies there, especially when they will only get involved according to their rules (e.g. Alameda FD)

Posted by Guest on Jun. 29, 2011 @ 2:05 pm

are yet another example of thugs sucking up taxpayer's dollars (2 million per year) while providing no benefit whatsoever to the public.
That money would be better spent on SFPD, who get called anyway whenever anything serious happens.
The head Rec and Park Ranger, Marcus Santiago is a crooked officer who fled his job at Oakland Housing Authority under accusations of and attacking innocent people. At Rec and Park he has turned a staff of 6 part time workers primarily charged with locking and unlocking restrooms into a force of 18 full time thugs sucking up a fortune in overtime pay,medical and retirement.

" The worst problems in police abuse tend to come from little fiefdoms that aren’t propertly managed -- the BART Police, for example, and housing and transit cops in other jurisdictions."

http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-06-23/news/reinventing-the-past/

http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-02-11/news/s-f-park-rangers-want-more-power...

Posted by Sunset Dave on Jun. 30, 2011 @ 10:15 am

Almost 20 years ago, 2 dermatologist doctors, both women, came at me shaking their fingers because I did not trust them and wanted to leave. As I backed up, my back hit a wall, so I came back at them shaking my finger. They threatened to 5150 me, and I said they had to catch me first and left.

With private security, I probably would have been restrained just for wanting to leave because I did not trust what the dermatologists were telling me.

Our own Blackwater - whoopi!

Posted by Terrrie Frye on Jun. 30, 2011 @ 8:02 pm

SF coppers retire at 55 on 90% of current salaries of working peers for the rest of their lives.

Over 1,200 retired cops collect pensions exceeding $100,000 annually.

Police are overpaid and have been coddled by politicians for generations. They gourge at the public-sector trough.

Hiring private security guards will reduce costs, freeing more funds for actual healthcare at SF General.

It's a monetary issue.

Posted by Barton on Jul. 01, 2011 @ 7:34 am

Police are indeed overpaid, but the solution to police being overpaid is to pay them less, not hire poorly trained rent-a-cops instead.

Posted by Greg on Jul. 01, 2011 @ 7:48 am

Your pal Mirkarimi and the SEIU do not want to pay policemen less.

Adachi, and a few other voices in the wilderness, are the only people willing to step up and demand that police and firemen take their share of the pain, pension and otherwise.

Posted by Barton on Jul. 01, 2011 @ 12:09 pm

Barton you are somewhat correct.

Regardless of how or what your feelings are about the Police and Firefighters pay. I think they are paid well for what they have to deal with.

As for Adachi and the few other voices in the wilderness you call them, whomever they may be. Ask this question, Adachi just got a pay raise from $180k to $200K. Has he stepped forward to say I don't want the pay raise and as a matter of fact cut my pay? I don't think so. He is a politician. If any of the other voices in the wilderness also work for any Government or recieve some type of Government funding. Did they also ask that they get a reduction or volunteerily give up any part of it. Again, I don't think so.

Adachi has an agenda, and it ain't a good one. Think it over for yourself.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 02, 2011 @ 1:15 am

The worst part about having to read comments from blithering idiots is that they don't know anything about the City's Retirement System or Adachi's plan or the "consensus" plan for that matter - it's non-stop irrelevant talking point drivel:

..."Ask this question, Adachi just got a pay raise from $180k to $200K. Has he stepped forward to say I don't want the pay raise and as a matter of fact cut my pay?"

Yes, he has. His proposal, if you ever bothered to read it, would require him (for the first time) to increase his pension contribution from 0% to about 15%- since something tells me I need to do the math for you- that's a "pay cut" of $30,000.

..."Adachi has an agenda, and it ain't a good one. Think it over for yourself."

Yes, he has an agenda and it's not complicated- reform f'ing employee benefits.
Future pension costs, like say the $800 million in 2014, are and will bludgeon City services. So yes instead of cutting City services for the poor and middle-class and then piling on a regressive sales tax increase of .5% on top of a property tax to fix potholes, let's actually do something about reducing benefit costs to the general fund by having the beneficiaries contribute more. What a wacky idea!

We get it, most of you don't live in the City, you don't want to come out of pocket to pay more for your benefits - your prerogative -great. Don't insult our intelligence with this infantile demonization of Jeff Adachi when every City and County in the state and the state itself is trying to figure out how to reform benefit costs...

Oh leave it to collective "bargaining" you say? Pension costs will have increased $600 million over five years and you know how much Lee's "consensus" plan saves in pension costs- $60 million a year. Yes, a whopping 10% of the cost increase and we have to keep reading about how unions have to be "at the table." The unions took a high-profile shot at the problem and failed miserably as the SPUR analysis concludes:

http://www.spur.org/blog?page=1

Give the bs a rest.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 02, 2011 @ 2:51 pm

Giants up 6-0,

Adachi for Mayor. I actually think the union flacks have backed off quite a bit. They're reasonable people for the most part. I'd guess that most of the rank and file will end up voting for Jeff.

That's cause they know that even if the Adachi Plan and the 'Consensus Plan' both pass we're still gonna have to find another 200 million a year minimum PDQ or Phil Ginsburg will have a For Sale sign on Coit Tower.

That 200 million has to come from the rich and Adachi's the only candidate (if he runs - yuh think he just might run?) ... Adachi's the guy you want leading you in that battle.

h.

Posted by Guest h. brown on Jul. 02, 2011 @ 4:19 pm

Ditto, Guest at Jul. 02, 2011 @ 2:51 pm

Think over his/her comments, if you want to get back in touch with reality on our ever-worsening pension problem and our looming bankruptcy unless we do something about it.

And ditto to you, too, H. Brown! (even though I'm a long-time A's fan and think the Giants suxegg).

Posted by Barton on Jul. 02, 2011 @ 5:26 pm

Privatise 'em just to stick it to the greedy union bosses at the Labor Council who support Yee the Crook and Lee the Liar!

Posted by Lame "Reporting" on Jul. 06, 2011 @ 4:00 pm

Disturbances short of crime don't require the US's highest paid police officer or sheriff deputy to handle. There's an appropriate and cost-saving resource that SF General obviously hasn't explored. Throughout San Francisco various merchant and resident groups and individuals hire officers from the 164-year old City Chartered Patrol Special Police. Why doesn't General consider contracting to these City-regulated neighborhood police officers, not just State-regulated security guards, to resolve incidents early and with respect to the welfare of all involved? Patrol Specials are trained and expert at avoiding escalation of situations into serious matters requiring expensive police intervention. Officers work at extremely moderate hourly rates to keep our neighborhoods quiet, and put one more uniformed and SFPD-academy trained and armed officer visible as a deterrent to crime. They have worked in public facilities like libraries. We clients want them in our neighborhoods and are more than happy to welcome them as members of our community. We're grateful for their crime-preventing presence. You can learn more and contact them for your security needs on their website at:
http://www.sfspecialneighborhoodpolicing.org/about_us.html

Posted by Guest Ann on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 1:28 pm

The district hospital typically is the major health care facility in its region, with large numbers of beds for intensive care and long term care, and specialized facilities for surgery, plastic surgery, childbirth, bioassay laboratories, and so forth. Thanks.
Regards,
coban

Posted by jaffa on Feb. 22, 2012 @ 9:38 pm

Post new comment

The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.

Also from this author

  • A few problems with Facebook

  • The battle of 8 Washington

    Condos for millionaires approved with progressives split

  • Facebook IPO: The good and the bad